Taxing Tuesday: Taxes for Old, Taxes for New?
by meep
Over the weekend, while most of us powered through a collective turkey coma, the Cook County assessor’s office engaged in an entertaining Twitter exchange with a taxpayer who joked about her property tax payment.
“My banking app just flagged my Cook County property tax payment as ‘possible theft or fraud’ and they really do not know how right they are,” tweeted Emily Zanotti, a local writer and editor with a Twitter following of more than 57,600 users. Zanotti generally tweets about politics, culture, Catholicism and her babies — don’t miss the babies — but on Saturday, she hit a nerve with Assessor Fritz Kaegi’s office while tweeting about taxes.
(note: I liked & retweeted Zanotti’s tweet)
My banking app just flagged my Cook County property tax payment as “possible theft or fraud” and they really do not know how right they are.
— Emily Zanotti’s Great & Unmatched Wisdom (@emzanotti) November 29, 2019
Cook County’s second installment property tax payment, collected through an escrow account, had been transferred out of her bank, triggering an automatic fraud alert due to its size. Several hours after her tweet, a communications staffer for the assessor replied defensively: “Your local schools, parks, and libraries — not to mention your police and fire departments — are grateful for your payment.”
Zing!
Not really, though. Let’s break it down.
The typical retort when taxpayers gripe about taxation is to point out the services rendered in exchange. Public schools, public safety, park districts and libraries largely are funded through local property taxes. So quit your whining.
But that isn’t the whole story in Illinois, Chicago or Cook County, where property tax hikes levied and collected increasingly are being swallowed up by pension costs for retired workers, health care costs for active workers and debts accumulated to patch up unbalanced budgets. Property owners and income tax payers are getting the same or fewer services while their tax bills climb and their property values remain stagnant.
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An Illinois Policy Institute report last year found that less than 50 cents of every new dollar paid in property taxes across the state between 1996 and 2016 went toward services. Pension obligations and worker benefits, along with bond and interest payments from borrowing — not new park district programs or additional police officers or equipment at the library — are swallowing up the increases in tax hikes.
There you go.
Some things were just not all that smart to do, btw, official tweeter. Zanotti tweets all sorts of things, because it’s her personal twitter account. It’s not a handle intended to represent an office.
Because this:
This reply just makes my blood boil. My house is decreasing in value, in large part due to Cook County mismanagement and higher property taxes. And yet my assessment just went up 36% in one year. I can’t move away fast enough to a place where 50% of my taxes aren’t going to debt.
— Brian Aldrich (@briancaldrich) December 3, 2019
I paid an attorney and your office already ‘looked into’ my situation twice. You lowered my tax from 42% overnight increase to 36%. You want to do me a real favor? Buy the house for 10% less than assessed and I’ll be ecstatic.
— Brian Aldrich (@briancaldrich) December 3, 2019
Was not a smart thing to do, in my opinion.
Trying to figure out the meaning of your tweet. Does it need to be stated that ‘homes are assessed when homes are assessed’? How does this concern the RATE of increase as compared to stagnant house values and decreasing county services?
— Brian Aldrich (@briancaldrich) December 3, 2019
Seriously, you can ignore people’s tweets. The stupid thing was responding to Zanotti in the first place. You can let it go.
MORE TAX PAIN TO COME TO CHICAGO
This is an easy prediction, but I like easy predictions.
Wirepoints: Expect property tax hikes to hit Chicago’s stagnant home prices hard
More taxes on the way
Unfortunately, more property tax hikes are likely on the way thanks to the structural holes in the mayor’s budget, the city’s ever-growing pension costs, and the new CPS teachers contract.
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On top of those [hundreds of millions of dollars] holes, higher pension payments alone will cost the city $600 million more in 2023 than what it will spend in 2020.And even more pressure is coming. The city’s police and fire unions are likely to make big demands in their upcoming contract negotiations, particularly since Lightfoot granted the CTU what she says is the “most generous contract” in the union’s history.
The above also doesn’t include the property tax increases needed to pay for Chicago Public Schools’ new contract. CPS’ expenses will be at least $500 million more annually by the time the new contract is fully implemented in five years.
In the end, Lightfoot could end up hitting Chicagoans with an additional $1 billion in property taxes just for the city itself. And CPS will cost Chicagoans even more.
I assume that’s $1 billion per year he’s talking about.
Let’s figure how much of an increase that would be.
Grabbing the 2018 CAFR (page 196), I find out property tax revenue is….
$1.4 billion.So a $1 billion increase would be quite the increase to get it there. Just over 70%.
Looking above at the guy mad over a 40% increase…. how angry do you think property owners in Chicago would generally be with a 70% increase?
Hmmm.
TAX STORIES
- Curbed Chicago: Chicago’s new ride-hailing tax begins in January, and it’s the country’s highest fee
- Famed Las Vegas eatery asking diners to pay toward staff insurance – adding a surcharge to restaurant bills, to help avoid taxation, too
- Rosen: Liberal media spews nonsense on business and taxes – what would they know about taxes? They have people to do that stuff for them.
- Tax Foundation: Trump Administration Proposes Retaliatory Tariffs against France’s Digital Services Tax
- Washington Times equates EV credits with tax cuts for the rich, ignoring oil subsidies
- Utah’s tax task force votes to recommend bill to full Legislature
- First on CNN: IRS whistleblower declines to appear for transcribed interview
- Tax Credits: 5 Things the IRS Expects You to Know
- 7 ways to cut your tax bill before Dec. 31
- New Year, New Tax: Illinois To Start Collecting Sales Tax On Vehicle Trade-Ins Worth More Than $10,000
- Politico: Trump’s trade taxes add up to $7B in costs to Americans
- Washington Times op-ed: Democrats can’t wait to raise your taxes, and take your job, too
- U.S. Needs to Raise Taxes to Fight Poverty, Nobel Laureate Says
- President Trump has one last chance to keep tax returns, financial records secret: the Supreme Court
I kinda hope Trump’s tax returns do get released, because I really want to see how much more stupid commentators can be about taxes.
TAX TWEETS
We're going to make Netflix pay their taxes so hard.
— People for Bernie (@People4Bernie) December 6, 2019
O.O
And no, we aren't making a feel the bern joke. We save those for branded accounts that pay their taxes.
— People for Bernie (@People4Bernie) December 7, 2019
Look, guys, I don’t want to talk taxes during sex. Really.
Starting Jan. 1, Illinoisans will begin paying a significant sales tax expansion on car trade-ins.
— Illinois Policy (@illinoispolicy) December 6, 2019
An Illinoisan buying a new car for $35K and trading in an old car worth $20K will pay an extra $874 in sales taxes in 2020. pic.twitter.com/mUNU2M0o5Q
Why do some companies appear to be profitable but pay little or no federal income taxes? It’s largely due to differences between book and taxable income.https://t.co/3faSYTq3Xo
— Tax Foundation (@taxfoundation) December 10, 2019
Comrade James Eustace Representative of the NLC National President Comrade Ayuba Wabba said the NLC stand on taxation is that the government should widen the tax net to capture those who were not paying taxes and that they should pay adequate taxes. #NatlTaxSummit #Youth4GRPS pic.twitter.com/VtPQSQQXPH
— Chinenye Nwevo (@NenyeNwevo) December 10, 2019
"Someone whose business has a gross profit of £30,000 would pay an extra £2,172 in tax, while someone with a gross profit of £50,000 would be down £4,517."
— Steve Baker (@SteveBakerHW) December 10, 2019
We can't afford the #CostOfCorbyn. Please #VoteConservative on Thursday https://t.co/tlmdmZxciB
#socialismKills elite like greta enjoy the warm train, good food and warm jacket… ! poor die paying carbon tax pic.twitter.com/9q9dfWekSG
— Reena.Sharma (@reenasharma38) December 10, 2019
When people ask how will LAB pay for things:
— Bevan Boy (@mac123_m) December 10, 2019
1) The manifesto is fully costed
2) Increased income tax at above £80k, corporations tax, financial transactions tax
3) Tackling tax avoidance
4) Don't forget. Half a trillion on bailing banks & £1.3 Trillion lost on austerity. pic.twitter.com/1lOXTWAvts
and the jumping-off of pop culture that nobody asked for:
Pay taxes you do. Pay taxes
— Baby Yoda (@babyyoda4warren) December 10, 2019amazon</a> does not. For that, <a href="https://twitter.com/ewarren?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">
ewarren has a plan. pic.twitter.com/5r5E5hZm1u
News you can use:
They already do.
— Mary Pat Campbell (@meepbobeep) December 10, 2019
Is the question should they be taxed more than currently, or that we should remove taxation from them?
Or is this about state vs. federal income taxes?
And yes, Social Security benefits do get hit by income tax, sometimes:
If your total income is more than $25,000 for an individual or $32,000 for a married couple filing jointly, you must pay income taxes on your Social Security benefits. Below those thresholds, your benefits are not taxed. That applies to spousal, survivor and disability benefits as well as retirement benefits.
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All of the above concerns federal taxes; 13 states also tax Social Security to varying degrees. If you live in Colorado, Connecticut, Kansas, Minnesota, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, New Mexico, Rhode Island, North Dakota, Vermont, Utah or West Virginia, contact your state tax agency for details on how benefits are taxed. West Virginia is phasing out state taxation of Social Security and as of the 2021 tax year will no longer tax benefits for most residents.
The federal income taxation of Social Security benefits has been around for over 20 years, btw. [the above info is from April 2019]
This is one of the many ways Social Security benefits were cut in the 1990s… it was done via increasing the full retirement age (ramped up from 65 to 67), allowing this taxation, and some other things I forget. Direct cutting of Social Security is a tough thing to do politically, but these indirect approaches? It’s more difficult to tell what, exactly, the cuts are, and the arguments make some sense.
See y’all next week!
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